Aloha New thoughts! Well! Current Pope has discovered that god extends to aliens. If aliens than god created them. Makes sense--omnipotent, creator of all things and I suppose non-things; wonder wonder I can sleep! It is good that these "minds" are working this out or baking the ever extending circle pie. My trouble-- it says nothing- so what! If they argue; there are infinite points between two points and on both sides of a point, than I say, you are saying something. But no, instead they engage a tailor to extend the circumference of god's skirt. Next we here that God is (logos um um well um) subject to the laws of natural selection- or the consensus of his nature or exposed parts are --um or or, (Robert Wright's new book, "God's Evolution"), same problem--- so! In a mathematical argument we learn that infinity is bounded and unbounded. In a wishy washy argument we learn; I no longer like grass, well here have some bark. Logic, rigorous thought often confronts, merry-go- rounds. Wonder of wonder, the merry-go- round- will always win, if put to a vote, a test of minds. The need for agreement, conformity will trump truth at least for humans, and I suspect most other social organisms. Truth abstracted is the beauty not sung the gem unseen ----- the real not real- the materialist bows to Simon, I got talent, or better to the earnest purveyor of monkey bones, ground just right, that cures baldness. word study "hokum"-- placed close to ; "need for tenure", " my editor wants sale". Thinker says-- "I got needs!!! too"